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Journal Entry: Mon Jul 21, 2008, 7:51 AM

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This afternoon Simba thought it was a nice idea to bring the bottom half of a bird into our living room.
Licking his paws on the sofa beside me; Myself unknowing to why his paws are especially tasty today.

As with other times he has brought a long dead or still squawking bird into the house, i get upset and angry at him for doing such a thing.


For i am human, hear me roar. :unimpressed:
We live in this 'civilised' society where such things and forbidden and our natural instincts must be controlled and suppressed.
Where we train others to do the same, from children to animals.


It is true that in the one sense Simba had no reason to go hunt for dinner. He gets it provided for him around the clock. Yet it is still in his natural instinct. You cannot train that out of someone/thing.


We as a human race are more despicable though aren't we? We protest about having a civilised society, on having brains and knowledge and in thus having so being greater than any other creature on this 'god forsaken' earth. Yet we kill... we kill for pleasure. Well done Humans! :sarcasticclap: That shows we're better!

Taking other humans out of the question, (although -i believe- an act of cannabilism is seen as more taboo than general murder in our lovely little society. I actually believe there is very little wrong with it. Of course im not supporting people going round killing each other and then devouring the bodies, because i don't believe in killing, but on the moral ethics of eating another human? I have less trouble with that than a person eating an animal.)


Back to the point though, as in say Fox Hunting, we hunt for the pleasure! The pleasure to kill something? And we think WE'RE civilised. It's not in our nature to kill!?
If we did indeed evolve from apes (Which i will rightfully support) then we are not inbuilt to HUNT, we are scavengers. We eat berries, fruits and insects. We need not KILL (although of course eating insects is killing, it is a different than attacking something, killing and then eating, than sitting by a log, putting a sticking in a hole and then licking an ant covered stick.)


As HUMANS before we gained tools and the like we were scavengers. I do not believe it is in our INSTINCT to kill, and even if it was it would be just to feed, not for petty 'reasons'.


It's amazing how something as simple as my cat bringing in a dead bird sparks off philosophical ramblings and feelings of .. hatred.. for the human race. If i'm brutally honest here i despise humans as a race. Not individually don't get me wrong, i love people as in personalities, individuals. And as humans we have done many great and amazing things but i still hate what humans to me are.
If Sarah is reading this, then i know you're boiling with fury. You're the only one who has heard we talk like this and i know you hate it. But it's just how i feel.


Maybe i'm wrong, maybe i'm right. None of that matters. This is just ramblings of an idiot because one dead bird is never one dead bird.
Failing a board game is never just failing a board game.

Everything means something else to me and i hate it.
Everything says something about Me and the World.
Everything is judged, analysed and probed.
Everything must have an answer and a solution, even if there was nothing wrong in the first place.



... Oh what a chore :unimpressed:

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:iconalexs2602:
I think me and you have spoken about this before and it's a very complex issue. I think, though, from my perspective that eating habits change with our evolution. As you say we were once scavengers but we were also once hunters and now we keep animals captive in order to make it even easier to gather food for the whole human race. It's a complicated issue as I say. I believe that at this point we have a choice about how we choose to gather food. Surely if we wanted we could make it so that how we eat doesnt effect other animals throughout the world. We have the choice, we can either eat in such a way that makes it easier for us to get food or we can manufacture food which doesnt kill animals. On the other hand many of the animals we eat thrive in huge numbers. Whether this is because of us or not I couldnt say but there is the point that we help certain species survive and yes some animals are endangered but we do try to protect them. There will always be people who if they want a certain food will take it no matter what. For as long as there is free will there will be people who are stupid enough to not care about consequences.

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:iconmanga-dragon:
-Do I Boil in Fury?-
You've already heard me talk about my reasons why i cannot accept your hatred of humans, but i guess i cannot change your mind.

Just...try not to generalise, okay? Hating humans, and hating selfish humans...their two different things. If you only hate hunters, then the hunters are your problem, not the species.

Just my two cents. I know it wont change your opinion, since were both stubborn. Not necissarily a bad thing though.

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:iconpyrox666xpheebs:
Lol this wasnt a Vegetarian ramble at all, that was just a point i brought up to help support another.

But i know what your saying.
But it doesn't make sense to me though, that if we think we're all civilised and so intelligent, that we still think that killing (even for food) is okay. It just seems barbaric to me.

Like they say, our teeth have changed to make it easier to eat meat. But did they changed cause we started eating meat, not because our bodies NEEDED meat. Alot of people think they do but they don't .. they need PROTEIN. Meat is a very good supplier of that, which is why it's easier to eat meat. But mostly its not as healthy and people tend to eat too much meat now a days too.

I also think they fact that we breed animals to eat is disgusting. I really hate that. It's like breeding something to have a horrible life. In that case killing it would be the best thing, the disgustiong way we treat alot of animals.
I actual;yl feel guilty for having pets, for riding horses in the past and the like.
We have no right to force creatures into cages.
We have so many moral ethics for humans.
Like the sex slave industry, keeping children in closed quarters, groomed for a potential buyer.
That's just what we do to animals, except not for sex, for meat.
And in a way it's worse because animals can't say no, this hurts, stop, help. They can't do any of it.

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:iconpyrox666xpheebs:
Yeah i know im generalising and i do hate that (i think hate is my world of the day today lol =P).

It's not everyone.. but i suppose that's what as a general it's seen. Urr how do i explain.
Liek its generally seen that murder is wrong right? Even though there are individuals who may think differently, heck even clans/groups etc. The general view you get from the society/media etc from humans is it's wrong...

Making any sense?
This is just what i see from society.
I say society because it's not individuals... it's just a view of the world.

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:iconmanga-dragon:
You mean a Social Norm? Yeah, but people are sheep. Opinions can change, if they are allowed to change.
Remember Lion King 2?
'Sometimes what's left behind can grow back better than the generation before...if given the chance.'
Ahh, Lion King quote. Im such a nerd.

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No Fear to create
Life? Hmm....sounds good! Where can i download it?
:iconalexs2602:
Well in my opinion it's likely a huge percentage of the world even though they probably know deep down that we can survive on other foods that they choose to live in denial so that they can eat what tastes good to them. The human race is selfish for the most part and that isn't likely to change any time soon unfortunately.

I totally agree that we dont necessarily need meat. Our teeth changed because our change in preference of food. We've preferred the taste of meat for thousands of years so it's deeply ingrained and taken for granted. In a society where a lot of people could see what we can then our habits would change but realistcally that won't happen for a long time.

Breeding for food is a strange issue i guess. If the animal is treated well they wont expect death so when it comes they'll have lived a happy life and skipped old age which is an advantage which is kind of enviable but then again it isnt a full life which begs the question could that be good or bad. Animals arent as emotionally developed as humans so the issue is very complicated. On the front of keeping pets it can be good or bad too. For example; keeping pet cats. If they're treated well like in most of the world then they'll live a better life than feral cats because they're free from danger, they'll be fed more often and fed more nutritious meals. Of course there are people that mistreat pets. There are ways which arent necessarily kind to pets/.

There are animal protection laws but as you say they cant talk so they couldnt call the police. A very complex issue most definitely

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I am Jack's inflamed sense of rejection.

We are the all-seeing all-dancing crap of the world
:iconpyrox666xpheebs:
lol, surprised you remember that quote.
And it's true people can change, but as a general their sheep.
So it's down to something big happening, or people in control to force a new view on the nation as it were.

Anyway who's to say what is right and wrong... I don't know

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:tribute:...The Lotus is a flower that rises from the mud...:tribute:
The deeper the mud, the more beautiful the lotus blooms.
:iconmanga-dragon:
Thats what your moral compass is for. As a general rule, i feel that if there is a direct cause of suffering that can be avoided, its not the best solution. E.g. Murder is wrong because it causes suffering to others for losing someone, whereas singing in a public place isnt likely to cause suffering.
If it does in someway, you are naturally apologetic. It isnt serious, but you did do something to cause suffering, which you obviously wouldnt do if you knew it would cause pain.
Yeah?
Oh, and the quote...i looked it up :blushes:
-Is an even bigger nerd-

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No Fear to create
Life? Hmm....sounds good! Where can i download it?
:iconpyrox666xpheebs:
With the bit of Bred for Food animals, though most are treated very poorly, if there was some treated well.. well it's still not fair to kill them until they are in pain.

We see on MANY movies, peoples striving to survive, if they are old or not. People are always wanting one more day of life, i think it's ingrained in them, and thus i believe it is in animals.. so is it still right then?
Kind of like.. children... the abused child finally killed, finally in peace, even though it could of been taken out of such a home and had a new life to try to make up for what happened.
Or the happy child who is killed by someone or whatever

It's not really fair either way, you can say 'they had a nice life' or 'they were put to peace' but unless THEY decided they want to die it's not fair.
Unless everything is tried to make the abused child happy, ands taken out of that situation, it's not fair and it's not right.
In my eyes.. anyway.


Oh and with the pet situation, i suppose with cats it's okay really.
With a cat flap they can come and go.. and they probably would have a better life.
But like with birds... kept in cages? When they should be flying free.
Even hamsters... ive been thinking.. they'd have had vast amounts of land to dig around in... but all they get is a poxy cage?

Whether they have the intelligence or Emotional complexity to understand, we do. Just because they don't know they are not getting the best life they could, does that mean its okay for us to carry on keeping that from them?

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The deeper the mud, the more beautiful the lotus blooms.

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